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for someone suggestible

Which basically applies to every single person because we’re all imperfect and can be influenced by anyone and anything

mhmmm

12:57 PM

all you need for it to go wrong is to suggest something like that to someone who is having a bad time in their life

Brb I'm gonna go around and ask all my friends if they have DID/OSDD lmao

Tinyparrot

Brb I'm gonna go around and ask all my friends if they have DID/OSDD lmao

Yeah, serious mental health is a joking matter amirite? Get a clue.

Mkay step 1 I talked to my psychiatrist grandfather who has had medical student disorder

1:25 PM

Tbh I would take everything he says with a grain of salt cause he studied medicine back when DID was called MPD and hasn't rlly gone back and learned much since

That's just your own experience, I'd like to see if there's actual documentation on this, maybe the 25% DID thing was a coincidence or someone being intentionally manipulative

@Tinyparrot - jump What I want to know is why are you fighting this so hard? Why are you SO invested in being able to suggest to people you've only known for a couple sentences that they might have DID/OSDD?

Because it's dangerous to discourage someone from seeking help if they have symptoms

1:27 PM

At this point it's less about the original person and more about y'all being so defensive

That's not what you're doing. You're suggesting to people they go looking for other symptoms.

1:27 PM

You don't see how you're being defensive?

Also OSDD-2 is about being brainwashed by a cult, I'm hardly a cult

Tinyparrot

At this point it's less about the original person and more about y'all being so defensive

"No you are the one being defensive!"

Yeah sure we're both being defensive whatever

1:28 PM

I think everyone should research DID and OSDD even singlets

1:28 PM

Idk why y'all are so against that

THEY ALREADY EXPLAINED WHY

Medical student disorder is not as serious as undiagnosed DID/OSDD

I can't tell if you genuinely didn't read anything or not.

The average person will not think they have DID/OSDD after looking at symptoms

You never answered why you think someone uneducated would be less prone to suggestion than actual medical students.

That's like saying some people are allergic to peanuts so nobody should eat peanuts and anyone who eats peanuts is trying to manipulate you

Tinyparrot

Idk why y'all are so against that

because there's always the risk of people internalizing their research and that causes them to develop sympotms of DID that wouldn't have happened without their research

Medical student disorder is not as serious as undiagnosed DID/OSDD

@Tinyparrot - jump Creating the effects of DID/OSDD in people who don't have it isn't as bad as someone having DID/OSDD and not knowing it???? What???? And which do you think is really more likely? Them having it or no?

1:31 PM

The average person will not think they have DID/OSDD after looking at symptoms

@Tinyparrot - jump Medical students disease and directly contradicts that. It is literally saying that yes, they will.

1:32 PM

This is a documented phenomenon.

Mkay I just asked my entire French class if they thought they had DID after I explained the symptoms and they were all like "no??????"

1:32 PM

It's a documented phenomenon among medical students

That's not the same as having them do research personally

1:32 PM

Like, are you trolling?

Are you?

No.

Robin is a brick wall

Lily | 👻

Like, are you trolling?

I hope they are. I have seen black holes less dense.

Or they can’t read

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But you're just casually waving away documented phenomena claiming it doesn't exist.

I never said it didn't exist

You claimed it didn't in effect by saying this thing that is documented to happen regularly is not actually going to happen.

I’ve had several people try to claim that I “totally have DID” and they literally just met me and it’s the most annoying thing ever.

I think if y'all had more experience doing research into psychology you'd get that mentally healthy people will not diagnose themselves with a disorder just cause they've researched it

Rusty

I’ve had several people try to claim that I “totally have DID” and they literally just met me and it’s the most annoying thing ever.

Yeah that's the worst

Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈

I hope they are. I have seen black holes less dense.

at least black holes absorb everything around them and internalize it

You do that -_-

Some ppl are just fuckin misinformed about DID and say they have it and it's awful

1:35 PM

But it's because they didn't do the research

Tinyparrot

I think if y'all had more experience doing research into psychology you'd get that mentally healthy people will not diagnose themselves with a disorder just cause they've researched it

Well then I guess mentally healthy people are safe then huh? Thank goodness!

Where did I claim I have DID???

1:35 PM

Yes??? They are???

You are misreading my post

With the odds of DID/OSDD being what they are, you are far more likely to convince someone who doesn't have it that they do and begin exhibiting symptoms than you are to actually help anyone who does have it. ESPECIALLY since even if they DO have DID/OSDD, just telling them to see a therapist is already helping them, WITHOUT the danger of suggestion. You are defending being reckless purely for the sake of being reckless.

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Well summarised, Lily.

Yeah I think ppl should see a therapist if they think they have it we agree on this

Tinyparrot

Yeah I think ppl should see a therapist if they think they have it we agree on this

You can't read apparently.

???

Some ppl are just fuckin misinformed about DID and say they have it and it's awful

@Tinyparrot - jump How do you know they didn't do the research? They'd have to know about a thing in order to think they have it. You're admitting the danger here yourself in what you're doing.

Bruh what

You are absolutely not in the position to tell someone they need to see a therapist especially when you clearly know nothing about tulpas since you think accidental tulpa = DID. Take your own advice and actually research tulpamancy before screaming DID

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I was saying people should do research

Yeah, take your own advice

Tinyparrot

I was saying people should do research

Do you think you should do research?

Don't trivialize everything that was just explained to you AGAIN. Go back and READ.

???

Robin is either a troll or an idiot that cannot read

You might start by researching this series of posts full of people pointing out you are clueless.

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Tinyparrot

Because it's dangerous to discourage someone from seeking help if they have symptoms

but all i was saying was to encourage people to seek help without additional steps!

So y'all want to stay misnformed then I get it

Rusty

You are absolutely not in the position to tell someone they need to see a therapist especially when you clearly know nothing about tulpas since you think accidental tulpa = DID. Take your own advice and actually research tulpamancy before screaming DID

Dude I have an accidental tulpa??? Trust me I've done the research

Then why are you telling people that they should check if they have DID if they have an accidental tulpa (edited)

Tinyparrot

Medical student disorder is not as serious as undiagnosed DID/OSDD

i'm all for diagnosis and not for self diagnosis why can't you see that?

1:56 PM

if you think someone could have did they should go see a doctor not do research by themselves

i will just leave it here

2:02 PM

looks like you've done enough research to reach mount stupid, do a bit more to get out from it. meanwhile, try to just leave diagnosis or any suggestions to therapists, and consider you might be doing more harm than good

one thing that surprises me is that you are saying that "i'm basing my experience on the people i met" and yes i do agree i base my conclusion on anecdotal evidence and even thought it is very consistent i can't tell that it happens to everyone of course but even if it's 1% chance someone can be misdiagnosed while suggested that's already too high while you are saying "i researched did and i didn't think i have it" which is based on just one sample

2:08 PM

also you were saying that you asked your class if they have did which is completely different scenario because even if you asked them you did it out of context what you did here today was seeing someone experiencing something they considered unusual and you told them that might be caused by did/osdd and they should do research it's completely different

2:09 PM

you don't know if they are teenagers and some of their experiences of having unstable mood could be misinterpreted by them as osdd because osdd is so vague with no amnesia barriers and separation between alters that a lot of singlets or people with other disorders like bipolar disorder might relate to a lot of it

2:10 PM

what is dangerous after that is that a person might join did community who has very unhealthy attitude of "doctors don't understand did" and just stick to community rather than seeking help and getting treatment for their problems

2:10 PM

and it's very unhealthy community

KiTkAt( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ 🌺 [Kaleido]

i will just leave it here

that's one of the reasons why it's better to listen than to give your opinion until your certain that you can be qualified as an expert on a subject.

OHhHH I dId So mUcH REseArcH abOut PsyHcOlOgy How MucH did yOu DO?!?!

for certain things, it's fine to have an opinion but in terms of straight knowledge it's best to listen to everything you can (especially if you find conlficting viewpoints) and then once you've found enough then you can make your claim (and even then you need to be open to your claim being wrong)

to me the worrying thing is that robin can't see problem with it which means that they will probably keep doing it which is very irresponsible (edited)

(Random side note that Robin can be a female name too)

thank you marissa i didn't know i edited it

I scrolled up a bit and I feel y'all are overreacting a bit lol

it's because they can't see why it's irresponsible and are arguing this is what should be done (edited)

Awww... are they gone? I just got here...

2:17 PM

I have a sad.

Hi Zenny <3

Robin is still in the server, they aren’t gone

probably still doing french class. kids nowadays

I scrolled up a bit and I feel y'all are overreacting a bit lol

Same

you might need to scroll more than a bit to get the context

Tinyparrot

But I feel like compared to other disorders the criteria there are harder to meet right?

The only thing I'd say that I'm not sure anyone clearly touched upon is that every aspect of DID/OSDD seem to be suggestible traits. Infamously, a psychologist gave someone a full suite of the symptoms through hypnosis and suggestion, including fake memories, which resulted in many concluding the disorder simply didn't exist by itself and was based on Freudian conjecture. Modern psychologists are careful to never say anything about DID when they suspect it, to prevent that. Furthermore, people who are diagnosed with DID/OSDD do not always have all of the traits. This means that by studying the traits and looking for them in yourself you can make them manifest. Also OSDD-2 is totally the same mechanism as tulpamancy, if you ask me. Tulpamancy only dances around the negative side-effects on memory and depersonalization and what not by default, and so cannot be classed as disorderly.

Zen

The only thing I'd say that I'm not sure anyone clearly touched upon is that every aspect of DID/OSDD seem to be suggestible traits. Infamously, a psychologist gave someone a full suite of the symptoms through hypnosis and suggestion, including fake memories, which resulted in many concluding the disorder simply didn't exist by itself and was based on Freudian conjecture. Modern psychologists are careful to never say anything about DID when they suspect it, to prevent that. Furthermore, people who are diagnosed with DID/OSDD do not always have all of the traits. This means that by studying the traits and looking for them in yourself you can make them manifest. Also OSDD-2 is totally the same mechanism as tulpamancy, if you ask me. Tulpamancy only dances around the negative side-effects on memory and depersonalization and what not by default, and so cannot be classed as disorderly.

"Modern psychologists are careful to never say anything about DID when they suspect it, to prevent that" this was true with our psychologist she didn't mention anything about did until we brought it up and then it turned out she has worked with us keeping that in mind but she understood how harmful it could be if she told us that before

2:32 PM

and that's one of the thing if you have diagnosis or not if you know you have did or not the treatment looks the same if you have problems with mental health you go to a doctor and they know how to treat it without disturbing you and do it calmly a very often thing that happens with systems that find they are a did system by themselves is that they are flooded by trauma from the past and without all the ground work with therapist they don't know how to cope with it they get retraumatised and it's very unstabilising

2:33 PM

so even if you help a person who has did find they have did it's also harmful! they need to explore that under supervision of a professional who knows how to help them cope

2:34 PM

and yes i think osdd-2 is the same mechanism as tulpamancy too it's not just about cults

2:35 PM

dsm puts cult just as one of the reasons for osdd-2 to be developed

OSDD-2 is the catch-all for any cultural practice that results in a dissociative disorder.